I just want to go on record that I do not judge any path someone has chosen to seek GOD. I even appreciate the Atheist perspective on Life.
Ditto that, Rex! But I am curious…would you extend that comment to include the Satanic Path?
Something like this Leonard?
“I am that which has been called forth by the odour of wickedness arising from the bodies of men, which no incense can disguise. For as the smell of putrefaction assails the nostrils of men, so does wickedness give forth something which assails us in this realm. Wickedness is, therefore, an offence against us. If a man threw filth over the wall into your courtyard, would you not consider this an act of hostility? Could any among you live in harmony with those who were insensitive to your own sensitivity? Thus, I am awakened to happenings in the world of men and am now clothed in a performing substance”.
But maybe this was a more benign celestial force, yahweh clearly was a darker one indeed
Yes Manuel, something quite like that would be included in my question for Rex…
http://thekolbrin.com/kolbrin_b2c3.html that is a sort of celestial force that was awakened as a chastising event when some ancient flood ocurred in shinar (sumer). Intersting chapter .
"LaVeyan Satanism is a philosophy (not considered a religion by many of its followers) founded in 1966 by Anton Szandor LaVey. Its teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and "eye for an eye" morality. Unlike Theistic Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists are atheists who regard Satan as a symbol of man's inherent nature." - wikipedia
“Theistic Satanism (also known as Traditional Satanism, Spiritual Satanism or Devil Worship) is a form of Satanism with the primary belief that Satan is an actual deity or force to revere or worship. Other characteristics of Theistic Satanism may include a belief in magic, which is manipulated through ritual, although that is not a defining criterion, and theistic Satanists may focus solely on devotion. Unlike the LaVeyan Satanism founded by Anton LaVey in the 1960s, Theistic Satanism is theistic as opposed to atheistic, believing that Satan is a real being rather than a symbol of individualism.”
@Leonard, I can appreciate the perspective of those Satanists who wish to cast away the conventions of society’s dogmatic understanding of GOD. I pity their choice of path and do not claim to know their fate.
Those who choose to truly worship EVIL have damned themselves.
Interesting answer, Rex. The vast majority of those who serve Evil do so unconsciously, would your answer also apply to them? And what of those who sit on the fence, the lukewarm, the zombies whom are merely shades drifting through life?
The above two groups represent most of humanity at present. What, if any, judgment do you have for them, and why so or why not considering your stance on conscious followers of Evil?
As i understand it, this plane of existence is a class... like a class, there are those who not only do well with the curriculum but understand it to the point of going beyond it... there are those who are up to the curriculum... those who need help with it... those who fail... those who do not care that they fail... and those who choose to ignore the curriculum all together in favor of their own approach to learning.
I think those who need to worry are those who, by choice, do not care that they fail… beyond that, GOD sees their soul, and they will take their place accordingly. The Kolbrin says those souls who will not grow after many chances will return to the living waters where the life essence will mingle and their consciousness will cease.
not just memories, the lose all sense of self… they cease to be.
even when walking on torment in the shadow realm, they have a sense of self… that goes away when they are judged lost.
Sons Of Fire...SOF:10:13 Failure is the yardstick of success. It alone adds value to achievement, but there can be no real failure, except through the acceptance of failure.
SVB:9:9 There are dark doctrines, which tell of soulspirits condemned to everlasting darkness and torment, but this is not so. They are not condemned to suffer forever, for after a long interval, they are taken out and recast. They are like mis-shapen casts of metal which are thrown back into the furnace to mingle and blend together, coming out purified and pliable, ready to be cast into new form. They come back to Earth completely unconscious of the past; it is lost to them in the purifying fires of the furnace, and so they start again. As a lump of salt dissolved in water, which can never regain its former shape, so are they.
Thank you for your answer above, Rex. It is clear you did some deep thinking and soul searching on it. As regards judgment, I would add that one always condemn Evil and its source (ignorance), standing boldly in the face of it. But Evil, like goodness, is an attribute, and that while judging, one should condemn the action, not the actor. It is essential that we distinguish between the two, and how to best react to each. I look forward hearing more of your personal wisdom here, Rex, and feel many would benefit form more of it.
The same goes for you too, Diane. I have missed seeing your contributions recently. You brought a very personal, feminine touch to a group a little too saturated with testosterone and brainy-ness. You are a leavening force here and have a beautiful soul…and I for one hope to see you around more.
Thank you for your kind words, Leonard... I find that life on this plane is governed by the Law of duality... how a perceived weakness in one's character can actually be the cornerstone to one's strength. (someone who is stubborn may also be determined) It also happens that often one thinks one is doing good but in reality one is championing evil. (sanhedrin trial) That is why it is futile to try to picture the long game. It is this irony of life that leads me to know that GOD is a comedian.
"Men see in events the things they wish to see, they can interpret only according to their understanding. Divine ends are achieved by diverse means, and the eyes of few men are opened to see either the means or the end. Events of the moment cannot be weighed in the moment, but can be assessed only by the judgement of the years. Only eternity knows whether this or that was good or bad, a gain or loss".
Yes Manuel, this is also true. And for this very reason, I hold little grudge for Masters and Manning. They have unwittingly been tools of a higher end and have served our purposes well.
If it is the action that is evil, and not the performer, then why is it that, even in the Kolbrin, it is declared, even in the laws of Yosira, that the doer of iniquity, be punished for “his, or her” sin ?
There is no re education camp, except the Earth itself.
And why is it then, that one may suffer, for a time, after this incarnation ends, for evil deads ?, if it be so, that the evil doer, is not truly “guilty”, of his crime ?
Also, in reference to YHVH, being a “dark one”, The Torah containes many many laws of mercy and kindness, as well as of justice and retribution, not unlike the laws contained in different parts of the Kolbrin I have read.
The Supreme Spirit, it is assumed, also imparted these laws to His servants.
Is He too, to be found amongst the “dark ones” ?
Far be it from me to suggest such a thing, but I feel that such an attitude about YHVH, is deu to lack of understanding of the times, and the people of the time.
Would we burn an offender with hot iron now ?
Or whip a woman publicly ?
I think not.
Hi Enkisfreind! Hope all is well with you!
I’m not in the camp that believes in a punishment, (hell), for evil deeds. To think you are going to be beaten or burned with real fire would be something that could hurt the flesh, and we’re not of flesh when we depart here. I think maybe we’ll be shown how our actions have effected others at some point, and then we probably go back to re-education camp until we move further in that direction. If we do, we graduate to a higher realm of “service to others”. Or we could move in the other direction and choose, “service to self”.
On the other side of the coin, if you have worked your whole life on being a “service to self”, you might graduate into that higher realm. Or go back to re-education camp again until you are able to move on in that realm, or even possibly choose the “service to others” path next time around.
I don’t believe the Supreme Spirit imparted the same laws as YHVH to his servants.
Supreme Spirit is all in my thoughts. Supreme Spirit can be found everywhere.
“due to lack of understanding of the times”…
Have the laws of the Supreme Spirit changed over time?
So,i f not the Supreme Spirit, then who gave laws to Yosira, and the like ? I could easily belive it was E’a, as with Moshe…but of that we are not certain either.
I feel only the laws of men change over time, not the laws of the Supreme Spirit. So none of the above are the Supreme Spirit to me. Have to leave for work. Until tomorrow.